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This is Sharing?

Microsoft introduced the term shared source, and now seems to be extending their unique idea of “sharing” to syndication.

The first attribute that the the Simple Sharing Extensions for RSS and OPML is to “treat the item list as an ordered set”.  This sounds like something from the Simple List Extensions Specification that was also hatched in private and then unleashed with great fanfare about five months ago.  Sure a wiki was set up, but any questions posted there were promptly ignored.  The cone of silence has been so impenetrable that even invoking the name Scoble turns out to be ineffective.

Now the Simple List Extensions Specification URI redirects to an ad for vaporware.  Some things never change.

Should we wait for version 3.0?


How about SSE SP3? That would be fun!

Posted by Randy Charles Morin at

In a redesign of the MSDN site a few months ago, the location of the Simple List Extensions spec moved:
[link]

It’ll move one more time to a more stable location in the new couple weeks. I’ll post on when that happens (and I’ll try to make sure we have a redirect in place this time).

- Sean

Posted by Sean Lyndersay at

Thanks, Sean, for responding.  But the core questions still remain: how do these two specs inter-relate?  What is the recommended mechanism for providing feedback?

Posted by Sam Ruby at

Speaking of things that never change, this sentence from the Licensing Information section should send everyone screaming from the room (emphasis mine):

If Microsoft later becomes aware of any such necessary patent claims, Microsoft also agrees to offer a royalty-free patent license on reasonable and non-discriminatory terms and conditions to any such patent claims for the purpose of publishing and consuming the extensions set out in the specification.

Never mind the fact that “royalty-free” and “reasonable and non-discriminatory” are contradictory.  Never mind that Microsoft is the only company in the world to use them together in one sentence.  Let’s be clear here: Microsoft reserves the right to use patents to prevent open source implementations from interoperating with their own proprietary implementation.  Of course, they won’t bother until someone puts in the time building an open source implementation that looks like it might challenge them.  Then they’ll bother.

This reminds me of the social denial-of-service attack, only against the entire open source community.  Any time you spend implementing this latest Microsoft “extension” is time you’re not spending on something useful, like open standards.  Microsoft has finally figured out how to fight open source: keep all the potential developers busy chasing chimeras.

The non-Microsoft people involved in this travesty should have known better.

Posted by Mark at

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ludo @ 11/21/2005 03:50 PM

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This reminds me of the social denial-of-service attack, only against the entire open source community.

Reminds me of it, too. Now all of the OpenPeople will spend months +1ing each other’s bad ideas in an effort to be slightly different from the thing that was written without their “help”.

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Hey Guys,

As Sean mentioned, this happened when we did a system level redirect from the /longhorn to the /windowsvista dev centers. I’m trying to get that fixed now. Sorry for the inconvenience.

Cheers,

Brian

Brian Johnson
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