Rogers Cadenhead: My weblog’s Atom 1.0 feed is now
online. As an experiment, I’m routing all RSS requests to
this feed. I’m curious about whether aggregators can
handle that. The RSS 2.0 code’s still around so I can offer
both, but I’d prefer to offer a feed in one format so I avoid
the need to debug two.
I’m following Rogers' lead, and have done the same with
my remaining feeds.
If you could use absolute URI’s in your feed, that would sure help a lot (I use Sage for Firefox, which creates a local file on my disk; relative URI’s, therefore, are relative to my C: drive :/ ).
I have to second the request for absolute URIs. Newsgator Inbox (integrated with Outlook) doesn’t seem to like your relative URIs. I’ll put in a bug to the Newsgator folks, but maybe right now it would be better to use the absolute version.
I would go complain to the Sage and Newsgator developers that their Atom implementations aren’t up to spec. Atom explicitly allows for the use of relative URI’s. It’s the feed readers responsibility to handle them properly.
Funny story, vaguely related: I was at FOO Camp last fall, and struck up a conversation with someone who (1) was familiar with the Syndication Wars, and (2) had been a regular reader of my blog in its day. He asked if there were any circumstances under which I would resume blogging. I replied — I am not making this up — “when hell freezes over, or Cadenhead switches to Atom.”
It’s an issue with Sam not specifying xml:base mostly. Most feed readers don’t correctly use the feed’s url as the base value when xml:base is omitted. NNW included. Out of curiosity, which feed readers actually do support relative urls when xml:base is left out? I know FeedTools and the UFP do, but most of the others I tried got confused in one way or another.
Bob Aman: which feed readers actually do support relative urls when xml:base is left out?
The ones that worked in my tests: JetBrains Omea, RSSOwl, Snarfer, and Thunderbird (out of 16). Of those, only Snarfer and Thunderbird got it right if the feed redirected. And if the feed has a Content-Location header, only Snarfer got it right.
<grumble>... I need to hurry up and get SporkFed into a usable state then, if we’re going to be “assholes” and keep omitting xml:base. This NNW brokenness business is going to get annoying fast. It’s kinda annoying that I’ve written this library that works well but since it’s still just a library, I don’t really actually benefit from it yet.
I was trying to figure out if I’d introduced a bug in RSS Bandit to make your comment count and inline comments disappear. Instead, it seems you have made your feed less useful as part of the fallout of yet another iteration of the eternal pissing match which is the XML syndication wars.
James, so far, I have only modest beginnings, each entry in index.atom contains a link with rel="replies" specifying the Atom feed for that entry, the current number of comments, and the datetime of the latest comment on that entry (if any).
That’s great Sam. I just checked your main comment feed and figured you hadn’t done anything yet. Maybe now that you’re supporting it I might be more inspired to finish implementing it in my aggregator.
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in the comments, Mark Pilgrim said: ‘He asked if there were any circumstances under which I would resume blogging. I replied — I am not making this up — “when hell freezes over, or Cadenhead switches to Atom.”’ (my thought: :-) :-))...
I’d love to be able to say yes, but it seems unlikely. The last project I worked on was carefully designed from the outset to be easily portable. Most of the base code was compilable with gcc under Linux and the GUI stuff was neatly encapsulated. I had fully intended that we port to Mac OS, OS/2, and any number of variations of Unix/Linux when we got the chance. The project turned out to be highly successful and eventually sold out for a tidy sum, but you know how many ports we did in the years we were developing it? Zip. Zero. Nil. Nada.
Tragic really, but that’s the reality of the situation. You never know what might happen, but I’m not going to hold my breath this time around.
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