Not only is SYO unauditable, but we really don’t even know whether it will still be around this time next year. After all, last year’s SYO is already gone. Many pages from the old SYO now present 404s.
Your comment seems pretty inflammatory given that this is the status quo in the online world today.
Perhaps. But those other services have yet to surprise me. And after seeing the suggestion that someone at SYO has been manually changing some fields caused me to recall Jon’s prior unanswered question about the service.
Sam Ruby on “Share your OPML”, after some subscribe/unsubscribe changes: While the intentions behind this particular change are innocent, the fact remains that SYO in its current state is essentially un-auditable.Dare Obasanjo objects the...
Actually, I now think my suggestion from yesterday was off.
Here’s my guess as to how things work: They rank the most popular feeds by finding the most popular blog HOME url (not the feed url), and then assign the associated feed by picking one that an ARBITRARY user supplied. Ranking by url of blog is important because people subscribe to the same blog via multiple feeds. In the case of my site, a SINGLE user put in the bad feed URL, which led to the error. Of course the “right way” to address this is to add a step where they find the most POPULAR feed associated with the blog home url, something maybe on their todo list.
I know, this is all speculation (I haven’t checked with SYO), and somewhat orthogonal to your point, but I thought I’d offer a less sinister interpretation since it seems reasonably possible.
Sam Ruby spotted a problem with SYO, which we fixed. He also suggests that we disclose, again, that Mike Arrington has, in the past, represented me as an attorney, which is true. I also appreciate the support received from Dare Obasanjo and Gabe...
I had my pre-BloggerCon talk yesterday with Chris Pirillo. He’s going to lead a discussion about the power of users. Sam Ruby spotted a problem with SYO, which we fixed. He also suggests that we disclose, again, that Mike Arrington has,...
When I was professionally engaged in this project, the biggest obstacle I thought Share Your OPML would face is this: After the early adopters get bored, what’s the value for more mainstream users?
Asking people to share their feed subscription data is like asking them to Share Your Books or Share Your Grocery Purchases. People who want to volunteer their personal consumption and can produce the data in an XML format seem like a rare breed, and I don’t see what users get back that justifies their time and effort.
To my thinking, that’s why the first incarnation of Share Your OPML failed to catch fire in 2004, though perhaps it was because Mike Arrington wasn’t around to tout it to a huge readership while neglecting to mention his professional relationship with Dave Winer.
Old injuries flare up around a new effort: winer-arrington connection, roger’s “sour grapes” review...
What web directories are "auditable"? The debate over ranking blogs are beyond the science of statistics. I judge directories by the benefits I get from them. Share Your OPML has disclosed a few blogs that I didn’t notice before. It works for me because I’m a geek and early adopter... The aggregator output page will help prove the concpet for another wave of adopters.
Critically, I do think that Udell hits the mark: The site doesn’t share the OPML. It’s got a one-way design like most commericially-oriented sites. It asks for donations and post the results in a static form... Maybe it’s just a lack of time getting the two-way feature out (serve OPML as an output). I’m hoping they will serve OPML files so I can import Scott Adam’s feeds and view the web from his preferences and then dump that list and import Arrington’s.
When I wanted an OPML file to play with an aggregator a few weeks back... I imported Sam Ruby’s blogroll from bloglines. Dozne’s of great geek blogs flowed before my eyes. I got aggregation in a way that I couldn’t by hand-crafting an OPML list... I didn’t see the point over clicking on my favorties until I had a quality list of a few hundred to scan... Then I added Scoble’s and overload (with a Microsoft slant) destroyed the benefits. It was then that I discovered that my aggregator tool couldn’t dump OPML and let be re-start.
So, cut Winer some slack guys... If the idea is good. Someone will fix the implementation and steal the audience. Patterns.
I spent 4-6 months running an incarnation of the Share Your OPML web application and working with the OPML format, most of which preceded the legal debacle. I’m not going to avoid giving my take on the subject because people have a convenient reason to dismiss it.
The question I asked wasn’t even particularly critical: What’s the value for mainstream RSS users in submitting their usage data to Share Your OPML? Additionally: What’s the value for competitors like Bloglines in helping users hand this over?
You’ll find other people with similar interest. Then dive into their subscription lists and you’ll likely find some feeds that you didn’t know about, weren’t subscribed to and become a daily must read.
This would be made easier if SYO would simply “share it back” (as Jon Udell so aptly put it), as you could then simply import their subscription lists, or use them directly as reading lists if your aggregator supports this function. Mine does.
So over on Sam’s blog, there is this somewhat amusing conversation going on about Share Your OPML… another incarnation of a failed experiment that popped up a couple of years ago. The idea itself has a certain degree of “Hmm.....