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MS Live gets an upgrade

Niall Kennedy: Starting next week I will join Microsoft’s Windows Live division to create a new product team around syndication technologies such as RSS and Atom. I will help build a feed syndication platform leveraged by Microsoft products and developers all around the world. I am excited to construct a team and product from scratch focused on scalability and connecting syndication clients and their users wherever they may exist: desktop, mobile, media center, gaming console, widget, gadget, and more.

This has the possibility of being a Very Good Thing.  Job one is to shatter the cone of silence that has surrounded much of Microsoft’s participation in this space to date, and Niall seems to have every intent of doing exactly that:

I will continue to engage the community. There are some big challenges ahead for the entire syndication industry that are best solved by working together. There is a need for new shared metadata initiatives to describe rich media such as podcasts, videos and images. Some content publishers are holding back their content due to a lack of clear authorization and feed noindex options. The industry can gain a lot by having open dialogue and working groups around various issues in the space and I will continue to look outward for new ideas, partnerships, and best practices

It will also be interesting to see if his team will be building a second feed syndication platform from scratch, or if the intent is to simply throw away the current one.


What makes you think it is a desktop platform?

PS: I blogged some more context around Niall joining us at [link]

Posted by Dare Obasanjo at

What makes you think it is a desktop platform?

You obviously are reacting to something you read into what I said, as I never used those words.

From your question, I take it that the obvious synergies between these two efforts will not be exploited due to the organization structure that Microsoft has in place, and furthermore that the ‘suits’ will do exactly as Sean McGrath fears.

Posted by Sam Ruby at

Sam Ruby wrote

It will also be interesting to see if his team will be building a second feed syndication platform from scratch, or if the intent is to simply throw away the current one.

You link to the what is basically a client side library for processing RSS/Atom feeds. In my lingo that is a “desktop platform”. I doubt that Niall will be working on anything that is redundant or competitive with the Windows RSS platform. He will be working in my group, we build Web-based platforms for our online properties not desktop APIs.

Posted by Dare Obasanjo at

In my lingo that is a “desktop platform”

As the synergies that are obvious to me don’t seem to be as obvious to you, I can only presume that the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis applies here.

I will also note that Niall leads with the word desktop when he describes the users that the product he is expecting to be working on will connect to.

Posted by Sam Ruby at

Sam,
Where’s the confusion? Web APIs can be used by both Web applications and desktop applications. I guess one could argue that a Web API could replace a desktop one but that’s like arguing that the NewsGator API can replace the Windows RSS platform [as a real-world example]. I think they serve different purposes and could be complimentary not one making the other redundant, thus having to be “thrown away” to use your words.

I guess there are people who would agree with that hypothesis, I’m not one of them. Maybe working at Microsoft makes me not drink the “Web apps and APIs will make all desktop apps and APIs redundant” kool aid that the Web 2.0 crowd seem to be drinking these days.

Posted by Dare Obasanjo at

Dare, you have an absolutely awesome ability to effortlessly combine a Straw Man with an Ad Hominem.

Posted by Sam Ruby at

I will be working on a feeds platform within Windows Live. The desktop apps in IE and Vista are separate but could of course hook into the platform as long as we could handle the load.

I lead with desktops in my example because it’s the current dominating experience.

Posted by Niall Kennedy at

The desktop apps in IE and Vista are separate

Straight talk.  How refreshing.  As I said, MS Live gets an upgrade.

Posted by Sam Ruby at

I can see anything different between what I wrote and what Niall did. I guess you were just trolling.

Silly me for biting.

Posted by Dare Obasanjo at

To recap: I didn’t say that I thought Niall would be building a desktop platform.  I didn’t say that it would be redundant or competitive.  I didn’t say there would be confusion.  In fact, I didn’t even say that anything would have to be thrown away, just that that was an option.  Everything else was inserted by you, Dare.

What we have established is that Niall will be a part of an effort to build a second feed syndication platform.  From scratch.

Posted by Sam Ruby at

I gotta love the straight forward approach you took here. IE definetely has its problems and it cant even nearly compete with the latest in browser devs, even w/ their ie7 crapola!

Posted by Benjamin at

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