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SharpReader vs Syndirella

Reasons I like Syndirella better than SharpReader:

Not a very long list.  Of course, many of the Radio vs Syndirella items apply to SharpReader too.


SharpReader's systray icon also changes when new items come in (though it's a subtle change - the #-symbol just changes from blue to yellow)

On content-changes, SharpReader marks the item as unread again. I understand Syndirella is a bit smarter about this and marks changed items differently from unread ones. If there's enough demand for this feature I may add it in a future release.

Posted by Luke Hutteman at

For me it's the simplicity that wins - SharpReader's interface is noisier (all those tree icons), and I only subscribe to about forty feeds (on vaguely similar themes) and so the tree categorisation just takes up my lovely white space.

Also, SharpReader's comment feature, though cool, doesn't seem to detect reciprocal links (e.g. infinite tree structures? In fact look at the comments  for this post to see this in action), and the keystrokes for "mark all as read" etc are hard on those of us with small hands. :)

For two apps both at the 0.9 stage, Syndirella feels more polished, but both are a quantum leap from where desktop aggregators were a year ago.

Posted by Phil Wilson at

Interesting.  I didn't notice that... simply launching SharpReader changes the icon back to blue... even without reading the items.  Slightly different semantics, but equally as valid.. as long as one knows what to look for.  Cool.

Without some visual indication that the item is changed, I get a weird sense of deja vu when reading the item again...

Posted by Sam Ruby at

Phil - I try to test every aggregator out there.  Syndirella was the first one that actually got me to switch from Radio... after a several week period of running both.  At the point I switched, I posted the few things I missed about Radio.

SharpReader has inspired me to switch from Syndirella, after a several hour period of running both.

Posted by Sam Ruby at

Sam, et al.  You should try NewsDesk at http://www.wildgrape.net  I've tried syndirella, and other .net 3-paned ones, and so far NewsDesk seems to be the most well done of all of them.

--Eric

Posted by Eric Vitiello at

Eric - this is slightly old now, but, for the record, my reasons for Syndirella over  Wildgrape: http://pipthepixie.tripod.com/blog/archive/2003_03_01_blog.html#90236342

Sam - I suspect that my real reason for not moving over is mostly UI inertia. I like my "Add RSS feed" button. I don't like trees. But then again, I really like the fact that I can see the comments. Decisions decisions.

Posted by Phil Wilson at

Eric, I did try Wildgrape.  One of the first things I noticed about SharpReader is that it's searches were over the content not the data.

Posted by Sam Ruby at

RE: SharpReader vs Syndirella

Sam,
If these are the only reasons to prefer Syndirella to SharpReader then you should stick with SharpReader. Both features you describe could be implemented in about half an hour  if Luke decided there was significant user demand.

I've tried out SharpReader (and Harvester) which have convinced me to give up on the Winforms code base of RSS Bandit and start work with Torsten on the Magic library UI. The threaded posts feature is interesting. I have a couple of implementation strategies in mind for doing something similar for my RssComponents library but have no idea how to support this in the RSS Bandit GUI. It looks like one would have to use a customized list view to create a threaded effect and my GUI knowledge isn't much above novice. :)

I looked at your old list at http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/1179.html and the one feature that resonates with me is the plugin architecture. My current v-next feature list in order of priority is to move the GUI code to use the Magic library, implement a [back] button that doesn't suck, add Windows Update style auto-updating and improve the user extensibility story.

Currently Torsten has added at least one extensilbility hook. You can provide your own XSLT stylesheet for use in displaying RSS items in the browser pane. What extensibility hooks are interesting to you?

PS: Posted from RSS Bandit, like Whoa.

Message from Dare Obasanjo at

"if Luke decided there was significant user demand".  I must admit that statement sends shivers down my spine.  There are products I have paid good money for with that attitude.

Anyway, as I mentioned earlier, I switched to SharpReader.  And I already posted what I would like to see in terms of extensibility.

Perhaps posting from within an aggregator that doesn't have tabs has a downside?

Posted by Sam Ruby at

RE: SharpReader vs Syndirella

Sam,
Actually the fact that the Post Reply dialog is modal is more the issue than the fact that I don't have tabbed pane support. I read your post on the blogging ecosystem and couldn't make head or tails of it on the first pass. Maybe I had a rough weekend. :)

Hooking in DLLs to handle UI events is interesting. This is probably something I have to think out clearly instead of just hacking in between meetings. This probably means exposing some sort of RSS Bandit object model, good thing I was already thinking of rewriting the code. :)

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RE: significant user demand, that's B0rg PM-speak creeping into my regular conversations. Spooky...

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Dare, I'd prefer an extension point that wasn't tied to the RSS bandit object model, so that other .NET RSS aggregators could implement it, and I could use my blogging plug-in with those as well.

Posted by Simon Fell at

I'm currently playing with both myself, but perhaps this comment from the author of Syndirella makes it a moot point:

http://home.yole.ru/weblog/archives/000091.html

Posted by john at

Goodbye Syndirella, Hello SharpReader

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Syndirella development ceasing

Syndirella development is basically over ... I'm really, really tempted to give up Syndirella development. And this is one of the reasons why. SharpReader today has just about everything that I wanted to implement in Syndirella in the next 2-3...

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SharpReader RSS Reader

Quote: "...and last but not least, for items that include the full html description, sharpreader lets you expand a headline to view links and responses to/from other posts in other feeds. This allows you to read posts in context, and will show...

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Syndirella is under the terms of the GNU GPL.  I could not figure out what terms SharpReader was on.

I wanted to port one of those to use Gtk# (the toolkit we use in Linux) to have it running on Mono.

Posted by Miguel de Icaza at

Miguel, I tried and failed to find any mention of the license or the source code for SharpReader.  It looks like Syndirella is your best (only?) choice.  With the primary author abandoning it, you could take over the entire project and use it as an example of what Mono can do.

Posted by Mark at

Here is the license from Help -> Introduction while running the app:

DISCLAIMER OF WARRANTY AND LIMITATION OF LIABILITY. THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS" WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, WHETHER EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. WITHOUT LIMITATION, LUCAS HUTTEMAN DISCLAIMS ALL IMPLIED WARRANTIES WITH RESPECT TO THE SOFTWARE, ITS MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR ANY PARTICULAR PURPOSE. YOU ASSUME ALL RISK IN USING THE SOFTWARE. IN NO EVENT WILL LUCAS HUTTEMAN BE LIABLE FOR INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES, INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, LOSS OF INCOME, LOSS OF USE, OR LOSS OF INFORMATION. IN NO EVENT WILL LUCAS HUTTEMAN BE LIABLE FOR ANY DAMAGES, EVEN IF LUCAS HUTTEMAN SHALL HAVE BEEN INFORMED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES OR FOR ANY CLAIM BY ANY OTHER PARTY. CERTAIN STATES DO NOT PERMIT EXCLUSIONS OF IMPLIED WARRANTIES OR LIMITATIONS OF LIABILITY, SO THIS DISCLAIMER MAY NOT APPLY TO YOU OR MAY APPLY TO YOU ONLY IN PART. YOU MAY HAVE OTHER LEGAL RIGHTS WHICH VARY FROM STATE TO STATE.

I haven't heard any mention of source though.

Posted by Matt Croydon at

Goodbye Syndirella, Hello SharpReader

Mark Pilgrim pointed to Sam Ruby's brief review of the newly-released SharpReader. "Yeah, that's cool," I think. "I'll check it out." So I downloaded SharpReader and imported my feeds from......

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You could also look at BottomFeeder - http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/BottomFeeder - free, open source (Artistic License), under active development, cross platform.

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2003/04/08 09:42

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