intertwingly

Andy and Nicola must sleep together because the bond they have created seems very erotic.

Nice documentation guys...

http://krysalis.org/cents/patchqueue/index.html

http://krysalis.org/cents/release/index.html

I'm still trying to figure out why Centipede is any better than Maven.

It uses Cocoon, which in itself is very cool, but it is also slow, memory intensive and academic in nature.

Centipede is duplicating the effort of Maven (which started before it)...so the people behind Centipede didn't like Maven I guess.

This page reads like a LISP program:

http://www.krysalis.org/centipede/centipede/properties.html

We need real world solutions,not theories.

Yawn.

> Andy and Nicola must sleep together because the bond they have created seems very erotic.

You're just Jealous ;-). . Its called community Jon, we work together instead of just poo-pooing each other's efforts to force our own irrational technical religion on each other. I know its hard to grasp at first... ;-) hehe

> Centipede is duplicating the effort of Maven (which started before it)...so the people behind Centipede didn't like Maven I guess.

And you should thank Centipede for giving an alternative to Maven since many of the ideas that later made it into Maven were lock and barrel rip offs from Centipede. Oddly, the two tend to share the same six-legged featureset in some areas... The Centipede community asked to combine the two efforts, which if I recall correctly both you and Maven poo-poo'd the idea in reflection of your belief of inclusive communities that welcome outsiders and different ideas.

Note that when Centipede started Maven's main goal was to bring consistancy to Jakarta. Centipede's goal was to make complex builds a snap. Over time...Maven changed its tune. Thank Centipede that Maven is the much nicer general use tool that it is today.

As for Maven, the implementation makes my skin crawl and the file-system is pure drek.

> It uses Cocoon, which in itself is very cool, but it is also slow, memory intensive and academic in nature.

I'd LOVE it if you could submit a cent that let Centipede use Ankia or something faster than Cocoon. I completely agree with you on this one. However, lets face it Jon, thats just not what you're all about anymore is it?

> I'm still trying to figure out why Centipede is any better than Maven.

I could expound on it for you, but you'd stick your fingers in your ears... "A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest"... So maybe in the end, Centipede is developed by a different community than Maven, and Conway's law is in full effect.. How's that?

I'll give you the benefit of the last word of which you are so accustomed.. :-)

Correlation is -not- causation.

re: maven is good because it borrowed/stole ideas from centipede. To be honest, most people in mavenlandia haven't really spent time looking at centipede. I know I haven't. We share a user-base that has the same problems, so ideally, we'll solve the same problems. This doesn't mean that maven stole ideas from centipede just because both project's users have the same problems that need to be solved. Logic 101, dude. I have yet to hear anyone say "centipede does FOO, let's have maven do it also".

re: maven community being closed: awe, com'on. I appeared from virtually out of nowhere, having not worked on that many jakarta projects, and now I'm roughly a core hacker.

You don't have much of the whole story http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-general&m=104034215416396&w=2 and Maven's history is much longer than when you discovered it. Centipede's is less long but probably more interesting ;-).. Just because you didn't, doesn't mean no one else did. And if you look, it was offered to merge the two.

I agree centipede cent docs need alot of work. and it is getting better.
Ross just added javadoc like self documenting for cent xbuild.xml files.

You can see the work in progress at
http://www.krysalis.org/cents/test/cents/index.